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 Alright, let's talk Managers.

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What's the deal with managers?
Manager's are secluded to one person
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Manager's are open to everyone who wants to use them
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Manager's can be used with consent of the main user of said manager
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Manager's shouldn't be used at all
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PostSubject: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:11 pm

I realize this won't pertain to everyone but this is something that needs to be addressed before an issue arises. Please and thanks.

In wrestling, there have been some iconic figures who accompanied the larger than life characters to the ring. Paul Heyman, Paul Bearer, Miss Elizabeth, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart, etc. etc. These characters are usually seen as an extension of the superstar. For Brock Lesnar, Paul Heyman is a part of his contract. However, how does this work for XWL and online feds?

Some people argue that Paul Heyman belongs only to Austin. However, no where in the rules does it state that is the case. In fact, it says nothing about it. So where does the line get drawn? Can people use Paul Heyman with consent of Austin? Can they use him whenever? Could this potentiall hurt the character?

Then you run into instances of what happens when someone uses that character incorrectly? Persay, someone attacks Heyman in a promo. What does that mean for Heyman's client Brock Lesnar? Will Lesnar be suddenly thrown into a feud with the attacker of his manager? Is that fair to Austin, who has worked so hard to build this character up?

What about interviewers? At one point in time, Josh Matthews was involved with Madison Rayne. Renee Young was involved recently in the feud of Eric Young, Matt Sydal and Shinsuke Nakamura. Can she be used during the time of that feud? What if someone uses her wrong? What do we do then?

We, as an admin team, don't know how to deal with managers in online leagues. If someone comes in and wants to use Paul Heyman, should they be allowed despite the fact that Austin has worked so hard to build up the persona thus far? We simply don't know. So, we want to ask the community.


I've added a poll to try and get votes as to where everyone stands but of course, we'd love input and direction from people on this situation.

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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:19 pm

Personally, the best option would be to let the main user of said manager know of your plans for the promo or to even send a rough draft for approval.

While it's not fair to just cut away someone who isn't a superstar from being used, it's also not fair to, let's say Austin since he's the main one here, completely leave Heyman free to be used for anything. Heymans gimmicks IS being Lesnar's advocate, so you can't have everyone and their mother just promoing with him since he's tied up for basically an eternity since Brock can't speak to save his life.
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:20 pm

Everyone using the same manager can be an ugly site. I don't need Paul right now but one day (Me being Punk) I might want to use hi. I believe I should have to ASK Austin who spent the time working Paul Heyman into a character Id even want to use before just taking him. Nobody owns anybody officially...but I believe their should be an unwritten rule about messing with someone's storyline

If someone had suddenly decided to take Renee in a different direction (EX: Making her hate Eric Young AND Matt Sydal for no reason and basically inserting themselves in that feud...dick move right there)Can you do your own thing? Of course but you should be courteous enough not to bother someone's else story too. I feel like Managers shouldn't be touched by another character without certain permission and if you see someone setting up a story with another non-important character like renee or an announcer or whateva, just don't be a dick and mess with their story ya know
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:23 pm

lazy message me now plz
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:48 pm

kingofbeards86 wrote:
lazy message me now plz

Thanks for the productive input.

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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:51 pm

i gave my input in party chat...dingus
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:54 pm

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i gave my input in party chat...dingus


When we're trying to get input in a discussion, in thread form, for all to see, so that we as a league can make a decision on a matter we want input from everyone, especially if they respond to this thread, so if you've said your input in another form somewhere else, bring that here so people not in said party, can see that and either agree, disagree, or build off their own views based off what you feel.


Calling an admin dingus because he wants this to actually be discussed and wants everyone's participation is uncalled for.

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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:02 pm

Yeah i say with main user's consent is fine but what about like people that are using a character such as Rusev but don't use Lana. Is Lana for example up for grabs for anyone to use. Can anyone be used as a manage/valet if they aren't taken/used?
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:09 pm

@P.R Son wrote:
kingofbeards86 wrote:
i gave my input in party chat...dingus


When we're trying to get input in a discussion, in thread form, for all to see, so that we as a league can make a decision on a matter we want input from everyone, especially if they respond to this thread, so if you've said your input in another form somewhere else, bring that here so people not in said party, can see that and either agree, disagree, or build off their own views based off what you feel.


Calling an admin dingus because he wants this to actually be discussed and wants everyone's participation is uncalled for.

He called me a dingus in party chat
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:40 pm

Yeeeeeah no.

Nobody used Heyman when I first started using him for Punk, then someone started using him for every Tom, Dick and Harry and Bang started using him for Cesaro. If it makes sense for the person to be associated with whoever then it should be fair game from real life to our own situations, if there's a legit reason and it makes sense then who cares? Especially with cases like him who is associated with more than one superstar anyway.

Literally the only person that I think has a claim to a sole manager right now is Zack with Catrina because he introduced her with Pentagon Jr, even then if someone ran it by him and he was cool with it then it should be fine.

Stupid idea in my humblest of opinion.

Edit: I also wasn't asked for any approval for using the manager, not that I'd expect it from Bang because he's King but still...
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:45 pm

As its pretty much already been stated.

Mines pretty short and sweet.

If a guy has a manager whos established (Austin/Heyman) You should have to go up to them for any tom foolery or usage.

If someone isn't using a manager i say free game.

simple as that.


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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:36 am

My thought are pretty much what Sinister said.




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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:11 am

@StrumSkillet13 wrote:
My thought are pretty much what Sinister said.




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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:58 am

no one but me is allowed to use Don West
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:06 pm

waait wait, at one time during one of the past two times i was here didnt heyman have a full stable at one point? i think it consisted of Edge Kane Goldberg and maybe Lesnar?
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:32 pm

My thoughts is they should only have to clear it up with someone if they intend to do something major storyline wise like write them out for a month, then they should have to agree on it. Otherwise what's the difference, you don't have to mention the other person if you don't want to, it shouldn't make any impact to what you're doing at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:10 pm

@Shuggz wrote:
My thoughts is they should only have to clear it up with someone if they intend to do something major storyline wise like write them out for a month, then they should have to agree on it. Otherwise what's the difference, you don't have to mention the other person if you don't want to, it shouldn't make any impact to what you're doing at all.


I think one current example, that sort of needs approving is if say, Eric Young is using Matt Striker as a manager/friend of sorts, someone COULD use him as an interviewer of sorts, but NOT attack them like Randy did last week. Unless they of course ask.

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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:46 pm

You have interviewers stated in the staff list.
Come on guys follow the rules.

Seriously though, it's a matter of common decency. If you know someone else is using them don't go over the top in how you use them. Everyone should have a gentlemens agreement in that respect.
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:17 am

Did anyone else have any input on the topic? The admins will be discussing all of your thoughts so if you have any more, or if you haven't given your take yet then please do so.

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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:12 am

@P.R Son wrote:
Did anyone else have any input on the topic? The admins will be discussing all of your thoughts so if you have any more, or if you haven't given your take yet then please do so.

I feel manager use should happen at the discretion of the main user of said manager. The work that the main user puts into that manager can be wasted if someone use that manager incorrectly.
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:39 pm

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As its pretty much already been stated.

Mines pretty short and sweet.

If a guy has a manager whos established (Austin/Heyman) You should have to go up to them for any tom foolery or usage.

If someone isn't using a manager i say free game.

simple as that.



These are my thoughts about the issue, although say for some reason the manager wasn't being used, I think you would still need to ask the guy they're related to if they can be used.  

For example if Heyman for some reason was gone for a while, you'd have to ask whoever is Brock at the time if you can use him since they're connected.  

That type of thing.

There'd be nothing like Brock wanting Heyman back again at some point and him being made to work a clown gimmick for a year by the previous guy who used him which would make it awkward for Brock to use him in a more serious role.

An extreme example, but still... anything can happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:16 pm

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@Sinister wrote:
As its pretty much already been stated.

Mines pretty short and sweet.

If a guy has a manager whos established (Austin/Heyman) You should have to go up to them for any tom foolery or usage.

If someone isn't using a manager i say free game.

simple as that.



These are my thoughts about the issue, although say for some reason the manager wasn't being used, I think you would still need to ask the guy they're related to if they can be used.  

For example if Heyman for some reason was gone for a while, you'd have to ask whoever is Brock at the time if you can use him since they're connected.  

That type of thing.

There'd be nothing like Brock wanting Heyman back again at some point and him being made to work a clown gimmick for a year by the previous guy who used him which would make it awkward for Brock to use him in a more serious role.

An extreme example, but still... anything can happen.
I agree with both of these. For the majority of it, if you have someone who is known for using said manager and you want to do something, then please run it by them. It's a respect kind of thing. We kind of have had this with people not on the roster as well. We've allowed someone to use someone not in the company for promo purposes as long as they get consent. Same applies here. As far as the whole if nobodies Brock, or Rusev, or whoever and they're known for having a manager. I don't think it could hurt to ask the last person that was them, as well as the admins perhaps, on if it's cool to use whichever manager. Just my thoughts on the matter.

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PostSubject: Re: Alright, let's talk Managers.   Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:20 pm

If a user is using a manager for a lot of their promos and someone whats to use them and the manager guy approves. Just have the manager guy cut the promo for the other character
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